Can they do that? Options

[~Tracy~]

Okay...here's the part I don't understand...

If a religious group believes homosexuality is a sin, are they not also implying that it is a choice a person makes? Someone said earlier...if you want to be gay be gay.

So...let's accept that in the minds of the religious organization homosexuality is a choice. Why would a religious organization/school pass up the opportunity to help lead one of their students to a more acceptable choice? Why not take that student in and try to show him the error of his choices and show him the "straight" path to God?

Shouldn't they be welcoming the opportunity to help a poor sinner?

[prplecat]

Shouldn't they be welcoming the opportunity to help a poor sinner?

Fat chance of THAT happening.

I was gonna stay out of this one, it hits too close to home. My parents decided that I needed to be taken out of the Chicago public school system in 7th grade. Our junior high was in with the high school, and I was all of TEN years old. So they put me into a Lutheran school. Heh. Both of them were atheists, and I had been raised with all manner of myths and legends instead of Bible stories. My dad was a chemist...with the disdain that only a genius/ scientist can muster toward religious superstition.

The FIRST day I was there, I was informed in full hearing of the entire class that I was going to hell 'cause I hadn't been baptized. Great start for the new kid. By the end of the week, I had been sent up to clean the boards in the second grade classroom during recess. No problem, until the 3 biggest boys from the 8th grade came up to have a little fun. Yeah, they were 13 and 14, and I was 10. They shoved me around between them for a while. Then one of the boys got the bright idea to catch me by my boobs (I already had plenty of boobage.). I don't remember much after that. That one had a dislocated wrist, another one had a bloody nose, the other one had a split lip. ALL OF THEM were crying. Guess what happened? I was informed that I was a little heathen liar, because those boys were raised by good church members and would NEVER do anything wrong. Then I was repeatedly slammed against the wall by a 6'4" teacher. Kinda set the stage for the next 2 years.

The kids never picked on me again, but the minister tried to rape me. TRIED. Lovely place, that. That's how they tried to help a poor sinner in that school. Those girls are better off OUT OF THERE. And the school should NEVER get government funds if they discriminate.

Rant over.

[fatboy]

I agree 100% with your RANT. My close friend Steve went to the Lutheran school in Bremerton and had a simular expereance. The teacher/ minister was also a Boy Scout Master of Troup 508. He was caught molesting a younger scout and ended up with his ass kicked by an unknown parent and relieved of ALL his duties.

Johnny Love

[crazyazhell36]

OMG--I am sooo going to come back to this thread, but damned if I didn't start looking something up about the origins of the Bible, then got stuck on books they say are missing, then went on to the fact that the bickering bishops of the catholic church pretty much decided what books were included, then got whammied on the fact that I was raised in a church(which incidentally and relating to this thread, considered homosexuality an abomination in God's eyes) that considered catholics pretty much demons from hell yet they worship from a book that the catholics pretty much brought to the Christ worshipping masses. Okay....I got a damn headache now, but I'll comment later.....I need a drink.....

[~Tracy~]

Fat chance of THAT happening.

I was gonna stay out of this one, it hits too close to home. My parents decided that I needed to be taken out of the Chicago public school system in 7th grade. Our junior high was in with the high school, and I was all of TEN years old. So they put me into a Lutheran school. Heh. Both of them were atheists, and I had been raised with all manner of myths and legends instead of Bible stories. My dad was a chemist...with the disdain that only a genius/ scientist can muster toward religious superstition.

The FIRST day I was there, I was informed in full hearing of the entire class that I was going to hell 'cause I hadn't been baptized. Great start for the new kid. By the end of the week, I had been sent up to clean the boards in the second grade classroom during recess. No problem, until the 3 biggest boys from the 8th grade came up to have a little fun. Yeah, they were 13 and 14, and I was 10. They shoved me around between them for a while. Then one of the boys got the bright idea to catch me by my boobs (I already had plenty of boobage.). I don't remember much after that. That one had a dislocated wrist, another one had a bloody nose, the other one had a split lip. ALL OF THEM were crying. Guess what happened? I was informed that I was a little heathen liar, because those boys were raised by good church members and would NEVER do anything wrong. Then I was repeatedly slammed against the wall by a 6'4" teacher. Kinda set the stage for the next 2 years.

The kids never picked on me again, but the minister tried to rape me. TRIED. Lovely place, that. That's how they tried to help a poor sinner in that school. Those girls are better off OUT OF THERE. And the school should NEVER get government funds if they discriminate.

Rant over.

And yet...places that would allow you to be treated so horribly would happily toss a homosexual out the door for nothing more than being homosexual. As long as the "right people" are doing the misbehaving its okay I guess.

[Tiffy]

You know, I sit here sometimes and I just giggle. For all the moralizing, Bible-thumping, brimstone raising, fire-building and casting out of demons some "Christians" do in the name of Christianity, they gonna be shocked as hell when people like me and all my gay/pagan/Unitarian/agnostic/atheist/Satanist friends are swept up in their rapture and they're left here with a "WTF???" look and some Tribulation to deal with. And I'm finally gonna be vindicated for all the preaching that has been done at my heathen ass. I'ma laugh my ass off as I wave to the poor lil holier than thou "John 3:16 REPEEEEEEENT!!" peasants while I'm flying off with my lil angel wings and tarnished as hell halo.

I'm a little bitter, not for any reasons near as righteous as The Purple One, but bitter nonetheless. I truly feel sorry for the people who hop from bed to bed, do drugs, beat their kids, cuss like a sailor, or anything else that a Christian isn't supposed to do, and then preach at me cos I've never "invited Jesus into my heart." I live a far more moral life than they do, I'm much less fearful of dying, I'm more thankful for the rewards I've been given in this life since I'm not waiting on the streets of gold and no more tears or pain, and I don't feel like I've got some omnipotent being looking over my shoulder and tsking at me when I screw up.

Gawd, what a tangent eh? Sorry.

Yeah, they can do that. Sucks ass, pisses me off, but it's a private school. Since there is to be a wall of separation between church and state, they need all local, state, and federal funds yanked and NOW. Ain't gonna happen though.

[tnstud95]

Every christian I have ever met would openly welcome gay people to their church. However, most churches would not allow a gay person to stay unless they turn away from the lifestyle. Same goes for alcoholics or anyone else. It's not the sin that's the problem, it's when you continue to live in the sin without remorse that's a problem. It's easy to take a few bad examples of churches and smear them all instead of looking at them as a whole and realize they aren't the hate mongers you make them out to be.

And again, the Bible is crystal clear on this matter. I have never read a single translation that translates homosexuality as "ok" to God. And although "sin is sin", God specifically points this one out and even delivers punishment to Sodom and Gamora for this specific lifestyle. He refers to it as an abomination. In other words, He makes himself crystal clear on the matter.

It's not hate, but square pegs aren't made for round holes and our parts were made for men and women not either or.

[crazyazhell36]

Okay...now that I've confused myself thoroughly on what the Bible says or doesn't say about homosexuality(which, in my opinion it's kinda blatantly clear, but hell, so was other stuff I was taught and it doesn't look that way anymore, so what do I know?), what it boils down to is this was a private religous school. This in itself, invokes the whole seperation of church and state issue, so they can have whatever student they want or don't want.

As I've mentioned before, I attended a private christian school most of my life, and frankly, I have to agree with most of the comments about these goody two shoe "christians" that were supposedly the epitome of Christ( in their own minds anyway). This isn't to say that there aren't some REAL christians out there, but most of the ones I was raised around only kept the commandments that fit their needs or preachings at the time. Just seemed like they completely bypassed all the "judge not" scriptures, or the "love thy neighbor" passages, and only laid claim to the ones that sent you on basket ride to hellfire and condemnation for the slightest infraction. While I don't agree personally with homosexuality, who the hell am I to say what God forgives or condemns? I'm sorry.....I've just had to eat my words and be judged myself wayyyy too many times to ever sit in judgement on someone. God has at least taught me that lesson. Any time I have EVER judged anyone, I've ended up in the same predictament or worse. Thanks, but I've had enough of all that noise!

Anyway, while I was in the christian school, I know they fought night and day to keep the government out of anything they did, and as much as I hated that school, I can't blame them. They had and still have that right. It's private, it's christian and anyone enrolled there pretty much knows what they're getting into when they enroll--or at the very least their parents do. My particular school would accept no funding, no grants, no anything from the state, so in my opinion--the state has no business in their business. Period. If the girls don't like it.....they should seek a more accepting school.

A little note to all of this....about two weeks ago, my neice kissed her girlfriend on the cheek--just in a playful manner, and was suspended for a week. There was nothing sexual about it--just friends, and this was a public school.

[tnstud95]

The Bible does not say "Judge not", it says "Judge not, lest ye be judged". The standard you use to judge others will also be used in your final judgement. This was also a term directed towards christians concerning other christians to help keep each other on the correct path. Non-christians have not committed themselves to God's teachings and are therefore under only one judgement..God's.


"Love thy neighbor". Although it is true that a lot christians need to apply this more. It does not say "accept all lifestyles" it means love them and help them to see the light.

[johnniegirlatl]

The Bible does not say "Judge not", it says "Judge not, lest ye be judged". The standard you use to judge others will also be used in your final judgement. This was also a term directed towards christians concerning other christians to help keep each other on the correct path. Non-christians have not committed themselves to God's teachings and are therefore under only one judgement..God's.


"Love thy neighbor". Although it is true that a lot christians need to apply this more. It does not say "accept all lifestyles" it means love them and help them to see the light.

i know this didnt start as a bible study post but it seems to have some elements of it... if we're quoting scripture, we've gotta lay some ground rules as to which bible we're using... in the KJV, it seems that God is talking more about treating people well regardless of circumstance and situation... it doesnt seem to be a call to missionary work (or helping others "to see the light") so much as a call to rid oneself of hypocrisy and unrighteousness and to fill oneself with care and concern for others...

From (Leviticus 19:18, 34-35)

Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment, in meteyard, in weight, or in measure.

the thing with the bible is anyone can find individual passages that can be interpreted or manipulated to justify all sorts of terrible acts, the demonization of groups and individuals and any manner of unjust behavior... the beauty of the bible for others is to use it in it entirety as a lifelong guide for giving honor to God, supporting their religious traditions, living their lives, creating their moral code and directing their spiritual path

[ilikebigstrongwo...]

If in this short and wonderful life you can find someone to love, and joy of all joys, that person loves you back - you've got it made.

[tnstud95]

i know this didnt start as a bible study post but it seems to have some elements of it... if we're quoting scripture, we've gotta lay some ground rules as to which bible we're using... in the KJV, it seems that God is talking more about treating people well regardless of circumstance and situation... it doesnt seem to be a call to missionary work (or helping others "to see the light") so much as a call to rid oneself of hypocrisy and unrighteousness and to fill oneself with care and concern for others...



the thing with the bible is anyone can find individual passages that can be interpreted or manipulated to justify all sorts of terrible acts, the demonization of groups and individuals and any manner of unjust behavior... the beauty of the bible for others is to use it in it entirety as a lifelong guide for giving honor to God, supporting their religious traditions, living their lives, creating their moral code and directing their spiritual path

God certainly does want us to treat other with dignity and respect. Again, however, this in no way justifies homosexuality. The Bible has no contradictions. People who think it does simply do not understand it.

[duchessofdork]

If they are a parochial school - they are getting some state funding, just a little fyi.

If they are funded by taxpayers, then they should have to adhere to their state's anti-discrimination laws, right?

And, if not, then.... why not?

[duchessofdork]

And again, the Bible is crystal clear on this matter. I have never read a single translation that translates homosexuality as "ok" to God. And although "sin is sin", God specifically points this one out and even delivers punishment to Sodom and Gamora for this specific lifestyle. He refers to it as an abomination. In other words, He makes himself crystal clear on the matter.

It's not hate, but square pegs aren't made for round holes and our parts were made for men and women not either or.

I'm no Biblical scholar, so, someone set me straight (no pun intended)....

I'm under the impression that the Bible is, when it condemns Homosexuality, condemning any sexual act outside the confines of marriage, no?

If that's the case, the church needs to get busy-- that's a whole lot of people to expel.

[johnniegirlatl]

God certainly does want us to treat other with dignity and respect. Again, however, this in no way justifies homosexuality. The Bible has no contradictions. People who think it does simply do not understand it.

nah... people just have different understandings...